The following are interviews with an unidentified retired three-star Lt. General, still active duty Full Colonel of the United States of America, in July 1989. His authenticity is attested by word choice which slightly differs from usage in UFO groups, such as: “Awareness Program”, “Alien situation”, “departmentalize”.

Archived at courtesy of Charles McGrew.

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 DATE OF UPLOAD: July 6, 1990
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 CONTRIBUTED BY: Don Ecker/Director Network Security
 To all ParaNet Members;
 When I uploaded the CARP.UFO report several weeks ago, I mentioned
 another report that I had received.  The CARP.UFO report was an
 unsigned document, no signature, and no return address.  As I
 stated in reference to that, I gave no credence to the report
 because of the manner that I received it.  This report is a bit
 different.  I did speak to the person that sent it, and am still
 waiting to hear back from his group.  The file is an alledged
 interview between two men, the interviewer is under a pseudonym of
 Bill.  The interviewee is supposed to be a retired Three Star
 General that undertook a favor to "Bill" to check into the UFO
 question.  The man I spoke to is the director of this group, and
 even though he was aware of who I am, and the reason for my
 questions, he refused to put me in touch with either of the other
 two gentlemen "until they checked me out."  I am still waiting to
 hear from them.
 Because of some of the subject matter in the report, I had a
 feeling that there was quite a bit of information in this report
 that had been deleted.   According to the director I was right. He
 told me that "Bill" was a still active duty Full Colonel and that 3
 Star was at one time Bill and his commanding officer.
 The deleted information is supposed to contain some very disturbing
 information that deals with mutilations, both animal and human, and
 a large number of abducted and missing children and young adults.
 According to the director of this group there were about 20 to 25
 pages of deleted material.  Also seen but of course as is usual, a
 number of photos that 3 Star was able to get at one point.  I would
 rate this report as highly strange, but at this point unverifiable.
 At any rate here is the report and any suggestions from the
 members are most certainly welcome.
 I will use Bill for the interviewer and  3* for the interviewee.

Don Ecker


Interview 1


Bill> Have you read the book "The Roswell Incident"?

3*>   Yes I have.

Bill> What did you think of the book and just how true is it?

3*>   Bill, as I promised you, I used my contacts and several
favors due me over the years and I found out extremely sensitive
information which absolutely verify the information as stated in
the Roswell Incident.
The book intrigued me as I read it. At first, I felt the facts or
should I say information in the book were there just to sell it and
make our Govt. out to be the bad so many books do today.
However, the public has abeen lied to for over 40 years. This
bothers me a great deal.  But decisions were made decades ago. The
situation in my opinion, is totally out of hand.

Bill> You look concerned and sound irritated. What is wrong?

3*>  Around 4 months ago I called in several favors. I was given
documents, allowed to view video tape, given photographs, base
locations and I was even asked to participate in the "[[Awareness
Program]]"...which is to disseminate Alien contact to the public.

I turned down the offer. When I did I was sort of an outcast and I
found friends of 30 years had no time for me. I soon was limited to
all forms of information. Hell, every time I requested anything
through normal channels it was either lost or delayed for "higher
approval". This was normal everyday decisions, which wer NEVER
questioned before. I gave over --30-- years of faithful and loyal
service to this great country of ours. Who in the hell do those
political bastards think they are anyway?

Bill> I don't know what to say. I feel that because I asked for
the inquiry, you got into trouble. I really feel bad. I know you
didn't get where you are today by taking it easy. Did you retire?

3*>  You are not responsible! I kind-of knew what I might get
myself into. I always had my suspicionss and I to heard the rumors
about alien spacecraft that crashed, bodies found, alien craft shot
down, UFO evidence stored in special buildings on certain military
bases. I just never really took it seriously. I know it is true. I
have seen the evidence, I have seen the alien craft, the frozen
bodies from the Roswell site and I have seen on video tape, the
live alien which is a guest of the U. S. Govt. To answer your last
question, yes I did retire.

Bill> Could you give some specific information on the Aliens,
what they want, the govt. involvement, the reason why we have not
officially been told about alien involvement in our society and why
all of the many "strange" things or happenings associated with UFO
sightings and people-contact with aliens?

3*>  There have been several crashes of UFOs over the years. From
all documentation and information available that I have seen with
my own eyes as well as the physical evidence, this is in answer to
your questions.
1. The aliens really do not have any sort of invasion planned for
this planet. Aliens have visited this planet off and on for
thousands of years. Our U.S. guest is over 300 years old. There are
both "good and bad" aliens just as there are good and bad humans.
They are not all that different from us. The aliens utilize around
55% of their brain capacity or ability. The aliens do have DNA,
just like we do. The alien which is the guest of the U.S. Govt. is
5 feet 3 inches tall and weights 96 pounds. Large head (no hair)
large slanted eyes. Some of the aliens' abilities include moderate
telepathy and telekinesis.

The purpose of alien visitation to this planet is one of curiosity
and scientific research. Not world domination as some would have
you believe. Cattle and humans have been used in alien and U.S.
research for various biological applications. Most humans are not
hurt in this research and experimentation. Some however, have died
due to complications and down-right carelessness.

Several cross-breed "young" have been born to both human females
and alien females. We as humans are fully biological compatible
with most visiting aliens. Some we are not. More that one type or
species of alien has visited this planet. They are listed by
category...this information I could not retrieve.

2. The U. S. Govt. and the British have made secret treaty
agreements with the aliens in exchange for technology and so-called
recon missions during times of human conflict. The aliens have
basically agreed not to concern themselves with the wars or
conflicts of humans. Not to interfere in society. Let the Govts.
rule and decide. Exactly what the aliens get in return was not
exactly made clear or available.

Also, there are special teams which eradicate, discredit, harass
and turmp-up charges to control humans which experience any
visitations from aliens, or make verifiable UFO sightings. This is
one of the reasons I retired. It's too much for any govt. to impose
upon the civilian population like this.

3. Many of the strange happenings which people experience with UFO
sightings can be one of two things. First, simply an overactive and
wishful imagination. Second and foremost is the influence of the
vast mental power of the alien visitors. In the reports and
experiments conducted with live aliens, they have an incredible
power of telepathic suggestion. Combine this with their telekentic
abilities and just about anyone can be some-what directed to do or
think just about anything.

Did I cover all of your questions?

Bill> One more and you'll be done. Why all the secrecy from day
one about the alien contact, the Roswell Incident, UFOs etc.?

3*> The Roswell Incident happened at a very hectic time. World
problems and domestic matters drew priority. Make no mistake, Pres.
Truman and later Pres. Eisenhower gave specific direct orders to
keep everything and I mean everything top secret. At that time, all
alien (known as EBE) information became departmentalized and
dispersed on a need to know only babis. I as well as others heard
rumors and pursued our career with no further thought to the matter.

Also consider the fact that even with today's high technology we
still don't know all of the propulsion system, craft manufacture
and so forth. The most recent information that I did manage to
receive before I was cut off is that the alien craft has
more-or-less been copied by top scientific experts and is functional.

The "special group" assigned to oversee the alien situation and
other govt. VIPs agree to gather all of the technology possible and
put it to use for the benefit of the USA. I really wonder what
other motives are there. One very important thought about reasons
for secrecy are common religioius values and beliefs. Most of the
world religions (especially in the US) would tumble. This in turn
would cause panic and chaos. Something not wanted or needed in any

Look at the big lie the Federal Govt. has created, promoted swore
to and fed to the public over the past 42 years. Even the
Presidents of the US from 1947 to present day has lied about this
situation. Talk about a cover up? If this information would ever
get out, many people from the President down would be removed from
office. Many would go to jail in one form or another.

My information led me to other more graphic reasons that I really
don't want to discuss. This whole situation is fantastic enough and
the imnplications are endless.

The "awareness program" that I mentioned earlier was designed to
inform the public about alien contact, landings, crashes, the
Roswell Incident, UFOs and the govt. All of this is filtered to the
public in a systematic, logical way. This is coupled with the
increased alien--human abductions and contacts. This is a joint
govt. and alien program. If done correctly, there will be extremely
little or no panic and no resistance. The world govts. will retain
control and chaos is avoided.

Bill> Thank you very much for your time and this timely

3*> Now that I have found this information out, I wonder about
everything I could not access or was prevented from learning when I
turned down the position on the "awareness program"?

Bill> I know that I am pushing it a bit here but could you go
into some of the topics that seem to be eating away at you?

3*> Lets take a break from this interview for now. Its after
11:00 PM and I'm tired. I'll give you a call in a few days and we
will go from there.

Bill> It sounds good to me too. I've got a lot of work to do in
the morning so I better call it quits for now.

Interview 2

This is the second and final installment of the purported interview
with a retired 3 Star General, being interviewed by what was
described to me as a still active duty Full Colonel interested in
the subject of UFOs.  Now prior to continuing with this, allow me
to make an observation.

Since I uploaded part one of this file, and with the upload of the
previous file -- CARP.UFO-- I have received several E-Mail notes
asking me why I have put out such outlandish and paranoid files.  I
will answer like this.  First, I do not believe that any of us here
have a really good and solid idea of just what is happening in the
bizarre world of UFOs.  Since I have started to explore this thing
several years ago, believe me when I tell you that I have
experienced most of the angles of this subject. Everything from the
Space-Brothers are here to save us from ourselves, tales of ET love
affairs with the likes of the ledgendary Semjase ( now that is one
ET I would LOVE to meet! ) to tales of "Their here eating us!!" to
the Leader of the free world selling drugs to support MJ-12!!!!
What this all boils down to is a hell of alot of rhetoric and damn
little proof.  Oh, there is some proof to be sure, ie mutilated
cows, ( you ain't lived till you have been up to your elbows in one
) scars on alledged abductee's ( one gentleman told me that he
turned gay after his 16th birthday because of repeated abductions.
he was tired of being forced to copulate with alien females )
landing traces ( hard baked soil compacted inches, something damn
heavy had set down on it ) and tales from dozens of people, living
in some cases a whole continent apart ( with the same information
in uncanny detail ).  OK, what does this mean?  In my opinion, it
means that SOMETHING damn strange IS INDEED ONGOING..... so, that
means that the only way to find out is investigate and investigate
some more.  Knowledge is power, so the reason I have uploaded this
files is that MAYBE someone out there in computer land, ( and you
would be really suprised where all ParaNet DOES GO ) will have a
missing piece of the puzzle, and better yet will contact one of we
happy little band of investigators -- with PROOF
.................... and by the way, to those good meaning folks
that have written me email, just because I put something up here,
it does not mean that I think this is what really is happening.
Always read what I have to say about the file in advance.  In this
case, I stated that there is HIGH STRANGENESS in this one, BUT NO


Part II of the 3 * interview.

JULY 14, 1989

Bill>  Thank you for agreeing to a second interview on this
topic. Did you enjoy your trip to the mountains?

3* >  Yes my wife and I had a wonderful time.

Bill>  What is bothering you so much about the alien situation?

3* >  As I mentioned before, there have been several UFO crashes,
not just the one in Roswell, New Mexico.  Look at the documents I
brought with me. The photos are quite explicit to the CARGO OF SOME

Bill>  Why are there children aboard these crafts!? My God! You
don't mean that the aliens are snaching our kids?  What for??

3* >  There are over a million missing children every year in the
US alone. Now, not all of them have been taken by aliens. The
aliens take about 2,200 children a year from the US and other
countries. Its all right there in the report attached to the three
photos. The rest of the missing children are the result of
mankind's dark side. You know what I mean. It's in the paper every

The children are used in several ways; biological, to educate and
return, experimentation, disease study. The same as adults.

Bill>  Adults are one matter, but leave the children alone. I am
very bothered by this information. According to the report,
implants are being used on the people that are taken aboard UFOs
and returned. Some of these implants are microscopic in size (and
smaller) and influence the growth, function and learning
capabilities of the individual. This is a very detailed report.
Could I have a copy?

3* >  No, Sorry but you know our agreement was that you did not
get to keep or copy any paperwork. As well as the other matters we

Bill>  That you did! I will keep my word, don't worry.

3* >  I would like to mention a little bit more of why the public
have not been told the truth. Lets run through the whole thing
rather quickly.
1. Security/Fear Factor; Everyone feels safe knowing that the US
is one of the dominate powers on Earth. Right? The Human race is in
control and science will solve it all. The simple fact is--if you
take away the security of people it is replaced with fear! Fear is
the first step to chaos. Just imagine what would happen if there
was an announcement that the govts. are no longer in control, we
have aliens living among us, they have kidnapped our people, used
them as guinea pigs, killed them, manipulated our culture, tampered
with our food, created new diseases to study on us, have interbred
with us and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.  Now, how
do you think the public would react?

2. The fact that the Govt. have been lying, covering up the truth,
have given permission for abductions and experiments on the public.
Keep in mind that the agencies involved are highly covert, funded
very well and have almost absolute power (life and death) over
anyone who interferes.  How do you think the public will react?

3.  Cures for certain diseases, free electrical power, pollution
free energy, no longer a need for fossil fuels, abundant food and
water for everyone.  All of this has been possible for many years
now. What would happen if this technology was turned loose to the
public? The tech report showed that within the first year over 18
million people out of work. The monetary system would collapse and
all of the other problems that go along with it.  A REAL
Is it really worth the chance?

Bill>  What you say does make sense when you think about it.
What is going on with the sudden surge in UFOs, aliens, abductions
and the like? Is this part of the awareness program?

3* >  Yes it is. The awareness program calls for the funding of
movies, series on TV, specials and books. All of the "front" money
will filter its way to fund a TV series or movie if it is deemed
worthy of friendly, helpful alien contact. An idea is passed along
to the big named producers and directors and if it takes hold,
everything will fall in place and the funding starts. It is really
unique how it all works. Now way to trace it to the govt. and the
people involved truely believe it is their own creative work.
Everyone gets into the act and no problems. After the movie hits
the public, the reaction and interest of the masses are carefully

Abductions of humans are both random and selective. Influential
people are selected to either -- explain and guide the public or to
serve some political need or requirement.

UFO sightings increase when needed to draw the attention of the
public. You must keep in mind that the mere mention of UFOs, aliens
and the like will draw weird looks, rumors and make people believe
that you have a mental problem, not playing with a full deck of
cards and so forth. People will make fun of you and will laugh at
AT WHEN THEY ARE SERIOUS? The result is not one will say anything
unless there are many witnesses. The unique thing about this
subject is people don't want to believe. The general feeling is
that mankind is all. There is nothing else but God and Country.
This is what most people believe. I am not disputing or disagreeing
with anything. I just find it amazing that people in general are so
damn stupid and stubborn. Let alone that many are so pompous and
self-rightous about their religion and self image. Do these people
have a rude awaking someday! It can surely be said that we are not
alone in this universe.

Bill>  How large are UFOs? What type of propulsion system do the
crafts use? do you have any photographs I could look at?

3* >  The alien crafts are disc, triangle, oblong cigar shaped.
The range from 30 ft in dia. for the smaller recon discs to over
730 ft in dia. for the larger "mother" discs or the flying saucer,
if you will.

The triangle shaped crafts are 210 ft. in dia. This does not seem
to change as you can see in the photos which show 3 different
triangle crafts which all measure the same and are identical in
shape and appearance.

The oblong cigar shaped craft is the real big one of the three. The
only one ever found by the military in the late 60's measured 1,100
ft. long with a circumference of 310 ft. Take a look at this photo
and read the report attached. The information gathered from this
one enabled us to copy the basics of alien technology. It took 20
yrs to do so.

The basic propulsion system or drive is a fusion reactor which
ranges in size from about the size of a medicine ball, you know the
one tossed around in gym class, to about the size of a large Van or
station wagon. It is a magnetic drive surrounded by an aura of
bright white light. This is for the disc and triangle shaped
crafts. The oblong cigar shaped craft does not have this aura of
light.  All crafts are almost totally silent. There is some noise.

Bill>  I can't believe the photos! This looks like something
right out of the movies. The other report information which is
stapled to the photos is very detailed. This information is both
fantastic and very scary! I wish I could share this proof that I am
now holding in my hands. I know, I won't ask again. You have to get
this evidence back where it belongs before it is noticed missing,
don't you?

3* >  Yes I do. If this documentation ever got out I am sure
several individuals would be terminated. The powers to be have a
systematic method and program that deals with documentation,
verification and termination of information and personnel.

The most important asset to the Govt. on the subject of aliens,
UFOs, cover-up story and the like is simply the "OVERALL PROJECTION
LIARS." Also keep in mind that the news reporters and the news
media in general, poke fun at individuals with their quirk smile
and light attitude about the whole thing.  Matters can be
documented. The proof is out there and is available. Many people
must come down off their high horse and open their eyes. it is no
shame to admit that you are wrong. No one knows everything and no
one should be expected to.

Bill>  It seems to me that you have talked to several people
about this subject and the outcome has been negative? At least as
you describe the general attitude earlier. Maybe we ought to wrap
this issue up?

3* >  I really hate to be sour about this subject but the people
of this planet have a God given right to the truth. Many people
will not believe what has been stated herein. Many questions are
raised and can not be answered. Certainly not to the satisfaction
of many. Until the day comes when the big announcement and/or
experience happens to you --the individual--you will be too busy
and skeptical. Just like I was!

Bill>  Thank you for everything you have done for me. As I agreed
to do earlier, I will edit out the graphic details and other
information you requested to cover you identity and prevent the
people who helped you obtain the documentation from being suspected.

3* > I am well aware that there are no guarantees when this
informatioon hits the media. I just hope that the people involved
with this whole UFO, alien, and Govt. connection will come forward
and let the world know. I feel that mankind will become mature
enough to think before acting in the coming decade of the 1990's.

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